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What comes after plug computers?

Postby crimsonredmk » Sun May 15, 2011 4:22 am

Marvell and GlobalScale launched the plug computer revolution a couple of years ago and it seems that since then, both have neglected plug computer innovation (where are the ARMADA plugs?). Cloud Engines has moved their platform to a custom 0xnas platform and development boards like the Panda and BeagleBords and even the Trim Slice are becoming popular...but what replaces the ultra-cheap home-mini-server? In other words, what do you think ompanies like Tonido or NewIT will sell next? Will it still be open? (0xnas is NDA-ed and well-protected, as is much of the Tegra stuff...).

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Re: What comes after plug computers?

Postby thejinx0r » Mon May 30, 2011 1:13 am

I think its an evolution.

Sort of like the netbook with asus ee'epc 701 which was running linux and one of it`s kind. Drove the prices down and now people are wanting to use their "plugs" to watch movies and be their all the time.
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Re: What comes after plug computers?

Postby Socaltom » Mon May 30, 2011 1:44 am

About the same time I discovered Arch Linux ARM, I discovered the Pandigital Novel. Originally a cheap ereader,now a cheap android tablet. Its also an arm powered device, I could see a tablet similar to this replacing the Arch Linux ARM install. The only thing this is missing is a usb host mode. I hope theplug concept remains, but if it doesn't a tablet with usb and bluetooth could be a low power server.
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Re: What comes after plug computers?

Postby BinaryJay » Mon May 30, 2011 5:15 pm

Personally I'm a bit disappointed that more hasn't happened with the plug market. Equally, I preferred the first round of plugs that were actually wall warts where the pogoplug v2 turned into a box that needs floor/shelf space.

I think the problem is that the mass market doesn't know what to do with "servers" and is in full on portable mode. Everybody seems willing to pay for anything they can carry around with them that has a pretty touch screen on it and simply can't see the value of something without a screen at all.

So, perhaps the previous poster is correct that headless plugs are going to be no more and small netbooks/tablets which can be made to take over the functions of plugs today but with the ability to pick it up and carry it around will be the future.
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Re: What comes after plug computers?

Postby crimsonredmk » Mon May 30, 2011 10:45 pm

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Marvell and GlobalScale are going to continue not innovating in this market. Remember the ARMADA plugs that were supposed to come out last fall? :lol:

Over the next few years, we'll see things like the Beagleboard/Panda and Trim Slice - hard-to-get development boards showcasing the latest Nvidia/Texas Instruments/Samsung ARM creations. They won't be mass-produced and will be hard to get.

Meanwhile, Android becomes defacto for these tablets and netbooks. Nvidia has already said it won't bother with Linux on the Tegra platform. Thanks a lot.

And our good friend Mark Shuttleworth has already invented Linux for ARM servers himself, by hand, so that'll dominate 75% of the market in 2013-2014.
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Re: What comes after plug computers?

Postby Socaltom » Tue May 31, 2011 4:27 am

In the long run, its all abou what you can sell a lot of. Tablets are getting the hype right now, because the iphone/ipad business model is so profitable. Selling tablets at at low cost,but making money on apps and music works really well. The plug computer business only makes sense if you make it really easy. Pogo is trying, but sites like pandora are easier and faster.
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I suggeseted tablets cause,they are cheap, and don't use a lot of power, and appear to be plentiful. Now if Pogo started selling apps for the pogoplug, they might sell more.
I thought android was built on linux?
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Re: What comes after plug computers?

Postby crimsonredmk » Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:46 pm

Android is built on the Linux kernel, but it's distinct enough so that when a company like Nvidia makes Android drivers - well, they're not going to make drivers compatible with Xorg or with Linux's ALSA for sound or anything, but with Android's software and way of doing things.
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Re: What comes after plug computers?

Postby zachofalltrades » Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:35 pm

crimsonredmk wrote:Meanwhile, Android becomes defacto for these tablets and netbooks. Nvidia has already said it won't bother with Linux on the Tegra platform. Thanks a lot.


Nvidia=Microsoft http://www.google.com/search?q=nvidia+microsoft

SocalTom wrote:I thought android was built on linux?


linux kernel < [ (linux kernel + GNU tools) || (linux kernel + X)]
android = linux kernel + dalvik JRE + libraries
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Re: What comes after plug computers?

Postby crimsonredmk » Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:53 pm

I'd just like to sort-of reiterate and make clear our position in the tablet wars that are going to be going on very shortly once Linux-based ARM tablets become any good - we're not Ubuntu. We won't be making any custom GUIs or even promoting this experience over that. We won't be showing off the latest way to open applications or our way to send text messages - we're Arch Linux for ARM. We'll continue to make a powerful, clean, and simple platform on top of which you'll build your experience, however you want it. By all means should you discuss, debate, and constructively criticize any of the choices, but we won't get in the way.

This goes for tablets, set-top boxes, cell phones, netbooks, or anything else based on ARM in the future.
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Re: What comes after plug computers?

Postby android » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:06 pm

zachofalltrades wrote:...
android = linux kernel + dalvik JRE + libraries


The above is not correct.

android != linux kernel || a system built using the linux kernel

android = a FORK of the linux kernel

It is no longer compatible with the linux kernel in any substantial way, i.e. a linux executable (userland or kernel) will not run on android.

This is really just the latest example of a multi-billion dollar company trying to suck up the 20 years of hard work by the linux community and make it their personal profit engine. Sort of like what StarFuc#s did after neighborhood coffee shop entrepreneurs spent years pioneering the espresso drink market in North America.

Apparently people really like it when a bloated monopoly corporation crushes small individual businesses. At least, there's no shortage of people running into stores to throw money at them. It's very very POPuLAR.

Ooops! Seems I've digressed into a rant while waiting for this kernel to build. Time to get back to work, afterall, somebody's got to prop up this ponzy scheme of status materialism 8-)
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